CounterSpin interviews with
Lori Wallach, Peter Maybarduk and Karen Hansen-Kuhn on trade pacts and
corporate globalization
Janine Jackson: Welcome to CounterSpin,
your weekly look behind the headlines of the mainstream news. I’m Janine
Jackson.
This week on CounterSpin: Few
ideas are as hard-wired into corporate media as the notion that so-called “free
trade” agreements of the sort we have are, despite concerns, best for
everyone—and, anyway, inevitable. Given that the deals are not primarily about
trade, and that what freedom they entail applies to corporations and not
people, you could say media’s use of the term “free trade” implies a
bias—against clarity, if nothing else.
This week, CounterSpin will
revisit three clarifying interviews we’ve done on this issue. We’ll hear from
Lori Wallach of Public Citizen’s Global Trade Watch, whose 2008 discussion of
NAFTA is really Trade Pacts 101. Peter Maybarduk from Public Citizen’s Global
Access to Medicines Program talked with Steve Rendall in 2013 about the
impact of another deal, the TPP, on healthcare. And last year, Karen
Hansen-Kuhn of the Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy talked
about the effects of the TPP on food and farming.
Three critical discussions
about corporate media and corporate-friendly globalization on today’s CounterSpin.
Janine Jackson interviewed
Lori Wallach about NAFTA’s impact for the February
29, 2008, episode of CounterSpin.
Janine Jackson: The Wall
Street Journal had it recently
that leading Democratic presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary
Clinton have ratcheted up their anti-trade, anti-corporate rhetoric. The Washington
Post took Obama to task in an editorial
for “exaggerating” job losses due to trade pacts, sniffing that such ideas were
“not worthy of a candidate whose past speeches and writings demonstrate that he
understands the benefits of free trade.”
But in reporting on the
candidates and trade issues, the remarkable thing is not so much Obama or
Clinton’s criticism of corporate-driven trade policy as corporate media’s
uncritical, at times near hysterical, defense of it. What misinformation still
sets the stage for this country’s global trade debate, and how could
journalists redirect the conversation?
Joining us now to talk about this
is Lori Wallach, director of Global Trade Watch at Public Citizen. Welcome to CounterSpin,
Lori Wallach.
Lori Wallach: Thank you very
much.
JJ: First of all, as kind of a
simple question, isn’t it just a little late in the game for outlets like the Wall
Street Journal to refer to arguments that are critical of existing trade pacts
like NAFTA as being “anti-trade” arguments? It seems an indication of just kind
of the crudity of the whole conversation.
LW: The data is in. We’ve had
one model of trade and globalization implemented under agreements such as the
World Trade Organization, or NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement.
We’ve had 15 years to see how that would work. And the data has come in,
showing the United States has lost net 3 million of its manufacturing jobs in
that 15-year period, and for the first time in our country’s modern history,
less than 10 percent of the population is employed in manufacturing.
Why does that matter for all
of us? Because the data also show that when you change out higher-paid
manufacturing jobs with lower-paid service-sector jobs, wages economy-wide are
pushed down.
So the government data show in
real terms, US median wages are at about 1972 levels, even though worker
productivity has doubled. Now think tanks that supported NAFTA and WTO are
writing papers admitting that a significant contribution to that wage
suppression is what they call labor arbitrage, having US workers directly
competing with workers who make a dollar a day.
Why? Not through an act of
God, but because agreements like NAFTA and WTO included foreign investor rules
that directly incentivized offshoring—relocation of production from the US to
low-wage countries—by removing most of the risks normally associated with
businesses going to a developing country.
JJ: Uh-huh.
LW: NAFTA, WTO, they provide
guaranteed minimum standards of treatment. They forbid developing countries
from applying the kind of policies they used to to foreign investors. Things
like: You have to use a certain percentage of domestic content, or you have to
transfer technology to us. And they require that foreign companies operating in
a place like China now get all the subsidies the domestic companies get, so all
those huge energy subsidies. Fully 60 percent of the exports of China come from
multinational corporations that have moved there for production.
Those incentives and those
agreements have had these outcomes, and the American public has had it. And in
fact, for these candidates simply to implement their domestic policy
goals—creating jobs, tackling income inequality, dealing with the healthcare
crisis and the climate change crisis—will require changes to these agreements.
JJ: Well, in light of that
data and that reality, I wonder what you make of the kind of media coverage
that takes the tone that it’s a “belief” that NAFTA has affected jobs. The Washington
Post said
that Hillary Clinton was distancing herself from NAFTA, “which is unpopular
among workers in manufacturing, who believe the deal has contributed to the
movement of jobs overseas.” What do you make of that kind of psychologizing of
what, as you’ve just indicated, is just a hard reality?
LW: Well, as a recovering
trade attorney who’s up to her ears in all the government data that proves that
these agreements have had these effects, it’s infuriating, actually!
The data is very clear, and
the only good news is a lot of politicians, who are having to come face-to-face
with Americans who’ve lived the experience, are actually starting to, by
political necessity, take steps to change the current policies, regardless of
what the elite media are saying to try and convince them otherwise. But there’s
still a lot of work to do.
So, for instance, Senators
Obama and Clinton, they have been escalating their rhetoric against NAFTA since
the Iowa primary. And, in a way, it’s excellent that they have felt the need to
respond to the public’s anxiety that they’re facing all across the country. The
problem is, to date they really haven’t put forth proposals about what they’re
going to do. So they’re sort of feeling our pain, but they’ve only talked about
adding labor and environmental standards to NAFTA, mainly, in public.
And, though important, and
part of building, in the long term, a social contract for workers in those
countries, that could take a hundred years, like it did in our country.
The things that have to be done, which reflect not just NAFTA but the
World Trade Organization, China trade, those things, such as removing the
investment rules in these so-called trade agreements that directly promote
offshoring, removing the ban on local preferences and “buy American” rules, in
all of these trade agreements, NAFTA, WTO—that would totally gut the
candidates’ proposals for green jobs, or for creating good jobs by rebuilding
the US infrastructure. That is what needs to be addressed, and the candidates,
just to succeed at what they claim are their own priorities, are going to have
to deal with this stuff.
JJ: Is it putting those
questions to them specifically? Is it that, and what else do you think
reporters might do differently as we go forward, given that it looks like this
is going to stay an issue in the election, to improve or uplift, if you will,
the quality of the coverage around trade?
LW: Well, certainly asking
some of those specific questions. And we put out an advisory about a week ago
that listed questions the candidates probably don’t want to hear but will save
them from not being able to, in the future, implement their policy goals. And
those questions, which get to the actual “changing the terms of globalization
by changing the rules” questions the candidates need to address, but also
there’s now enormous amounts of data. You can go to our website TradeWatch.org, the Economic
Policy Institute, the Center for Economic Policy and Research, that take the
government data, have footnotes until you could choke, proving that actually
these outcomes have occurred, and then showing how they are specifically
connected to the agreements.
And this information may help
remedy, cure, the psychologizing that you see in a lot of the mainstream media
that makes it seem like NAFTA is some bogeyman that American workers are imagining
is under their bed, as compared to—these are specific choices. Interests that
wanted to pursue certain strategies for their maximizing of profits got their
protections to help them offshore, put in specific instruments called NAFTA,
WTO, that deliver a specific version of globalization. It got test run for over
a decade. The results are in. It ain’t working. And the good news, there’s some
very specific things you could do, were you to be president, to change those
agreements to get different outcomes.
JJ: I’d like to thank you very
much. We’ve been speaking with Lori Wallach, director of Public Citizen’s
Global Trade Watch. Find them on the web at TradeWatch.org. Thanks for joining
us today on CounterSpin.
LW: Thank you.
[other interviews follow]
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